Initial impressions are extremely high, but stay tuned for a full review after it has a couple hunts under its belt. The .30 RAR and .308 work very reliably with good bullets if decent shot placement is achieved, but they still do not offer that extreme margin for error when Murphy shows up with his law! SHWAT™ contacted Marty ter Weeme, Founder, Teppo Jutsu, LLC the father of the .458 SOCOM, .338 Spectre, .500 Phantom and the gas operated AR-15 in 7.62x 25. Maybe it’ll see use while I’m out hunting or on the range, but for photo shoots it just covers up all that hard measuring work I did. Wilson Combat Recon SR spec’d out and outfitted as below: 14.7” 1-22 twist barrel with permanently attached AccuTac flash hider, Handloads pushing the Barnes 300gr TAC TX to 1800 FPS MV. Jealous as a MF. He didn’t say “why” he was leaving. Made entirely of titanium, the 2-inch outer diameter, 10-inch long can weighs just 20 ounces. Another shot of that burly ACE M4 Socom stock. Steinel Ammunition's 458 SOCOM line-up. I think we can all agree that shooting pigs whenever possible is great, when not possible a trap should be setting out catching them. And the pricing, as long as you don’t go too far down the customization rabbit hole, is very good. stupid. Your email address will not be published. My 416R stainless steel barrel features a tight 1:10″ twist, a carbine-length gas port, a heavy profile, some big ol’ muzzle threads, and no fluting (though their thermal fluting is darn cool, I had already hit my budget). The use of a drastically rebated rim seemed the solution, and the 0.473” diameter rim employed by the .308 and .30-06 based cartridges was chosen. Thus the .458 SOCOM was born, with a 40 mm long case to allow the use of the Barnes 300 gr. ARCHIVED; AR-15 » AR Variants. I just noticed the two bullet diagram on the barrel. Enter the .458 SOCOM, THE HAMMER OF DEATH for hogs. Also, can we get a Tom in Oregon update around here? That 2-inch outer diameter Liberty Goliath spurred the idea of running a 2-inch outer diameter handguard and matching the two up as closely together as possible. Very very nice. But unless you are trapping the entire Sounders at a time, trapping doesn’t work at all, and they still come back no matter what. I hope he got a kick out of it…. The 6.8 SPC and 7.62x40WT are noticeably better and normally kill very well if Barnes X bullets are used; however they still fail to stop big hogs in a hurry if the spine isn’t hit. So pony up for the big gun if you’re ready. Well, as long as it can start life from a 2-inch OD, round aluminum tube. Use a larger caliber, such as .338 Federal, .308 or .358 Winchester, or .458 SOCOM. Side note: at SHOT Show 2018 I picked up a Gas Block Genie and decided to use it while building The Pig Truth. Then go look for some hogs. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. A digest of events, trends, issues, ideas and journalism from and about rural America, by the Institute for Rural Journalism and Community Issues, based at the University of Kentucky. It’s a standard, 30-round AR15 magazine. The myth and legend of the Black Butterfly is a tale for those who wish to believe. I’m sure you’re aware of this, but for the information of the readership there are sounder-at-a-time trapping methods available, such as those marketed by Jager Pro. It’s still one of my favorites! Thing must’ve cost a fortune. The Zeiss is one of the best compromises between low-light optical quality and size/weight; it’s simply outstanding. The 458 SOCOM cartridge offers the practical ballistics of the legendary.45-70 in a modern AR platform rifle and is capable of firing 250 to 600 grain.458 caliber bullets in a lightweight, controllable package. We scaled it back a bit, as you can see. First designs used the 8 x 68 S case, as it shares the rim diameter of the .50AE and is non-rebated. .45/70 is a great … That’s one extra black “black rifle,” eh? It’s short and light (without the NV attached), something that has become very important to me as I get older. After I finish her shakedown I’ll write an actual review of how the complete firearm performs. Also critical for bolt life in a gun like this is a properly-tuned gas system. No question it’ll shrug off that .458 SOCOM recoil and some general rough treatment. Links may expire, require subscription or go behind pay walls.Please send news and knowledge you think would be useful to al.cross@uky.edu.Follow us on Twitter @RuralJournalism Lovely way to live. This leaves only one upper receiver component left: the handguard. I do the same here in Ga but use a Wilson 458 setup the whole way (gun/can) and trijicon reapIR. It … They are very reliable with the sub 458 loads. Hit up the AR-15 barrel builder page and stand in awe of the depth and breadth of customization options. If you’re running this carrier on a suppressed setup, I would still recommend using an adjustable gas block to do what I did here; tune via the gas block for your weakest ammo with the carrier on “unsuppressed,” and only click the carrier into the suppressed settings to quickly and easily slow things down for full-power ammo. Tipped Nosler bullet exits my 16 inch Wilson Combat AR @ 1875 FPS and is hyper accurate. With the Hogs its more about shot placement than anything else. After I finish her shakedown I’ll write an actual review of how the complete firearm performs. JHP used for muzzle loading rifles seemed to be feasible as well (later experiments appear inconclusive, partly due to the fact that the sabot is actually .451 caliber and not .458). Lancer mags feed the heavy, fat .458 SOCOM slugs reliably. Anyways, many of us were surprised to find that what was meaningful in his life wasn’t a top priority of the pursuit of 2A rights, which we all thought he was about, but was about money and lifestyle. All of these parts have ended up on my Lancer Systems L15 lower receiver, which I registered as an SBR a few years ago and reviewed here. Thus far it’s shooting great, too! Check out our selection and find what you're looking for, here at Clark Armory. Jeremy S. That is one hell of a rig. This cartridge has become increasingly popular for hunting Deer, Moose, Black Bear and Wild Hogs. In this article I’ll detail the components I chose for building semi-auto The Pig Truth. Both had been designed to fire the heavy (500 – 600 gr.) Twinsburg, Ohio (Ammoland.com) – With hunting season underway across the country, an increasing number of … The 300-grain (19 g) round offers a supersonic muzzle velocity of 1,900 ft/s (580 m/s) and 2,405 ft⋅lbf (3,261 J), similar to a light.45-70 but with a much smaller case. These stainless steel mounts are available in four different, standard thread sizes (custom sizes are available, too) and two inserts are included in the box. Fortunately, to date we have not failed to recover a single hog shot with them. That said, “typical” is a pretty vague concept with a somewhat niche cartridge, and I wanted The Pig Truth to confidently shoot everything from 140 grain PolyCase ARX up to 600 grain D600 Colossus from Black Butterfly and everything in between. I have taken a deer and a hog with it both under 200 yds. ©COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Ah, just professionally! My favorite part was having the ability to spec precisely where I wanted what: threads for a shorty rail section on the front at 3:00 and 6:00, threads along the entire length for a full rail at 12:00, and a QD socket at the front at 10:30. Semi-retiring to writing airport acceptable novels. I’m using their super fancy, heavy duty QBM swivel up front and a strap loop through my ACE M4 Socom stock at rear. That seems to be the shelf life of all products these days: 30 days or until you open the factory packaging, whichever comes first. Bowers VERS 458 Suppressor Field Tested, Black Butterfly Lands On Wild Hog Video (458 SOCOM in Florida! It seems to work. Thanks to the upper’s sealed-off hindquarters, there’s no charging handle gap through which hot gasses squirt into the shooter’s eyes. A nice bolt carrier group deserves to cycle inside of a nice upper, and for this I knew exactly where I was going: GIBBZ Arms. It is a work of art !! While I really like my bolt action hog rifles in .308, .30-06 and .358 Win., there are often times when a quick follow-up shot is desperately needed. This decision was strengthened after a literature search revealed two similar designs, the .458 Whisper and the .458 x 1.5”. That’s a .223 Remington next to its X-Caliber Barrels muzzle brake on the left, and their .458 SOCOM counterparts on the right. Yeah, thermal ain’t cheap. Damn, man. While they call it the “Bleed Off,” it actually provides two modes of operation: your standard adjustable gas block’s gas-limiting mode, and Superlative Arms’ unique bleed-off mode. Unique ARs’ first design sketch was a bit on the wild side for my taste. The initial design called for a .499 diameter bullet and a 40mm long case! I have shot hogs with semi-autos in 5.56/.223, 6.8 SPC, 7.62x40WT, 300 BLK, .30 RAR, .308 and .458 SOCOM. It absolutely makes positioning your gas block a simple and accurate science. Lancers generally work with little of no feed lip modifications. It’s a good price for what it is but I don’t have the $$$ to buy it. Lots of features for the price. Top Hog Hunting Tips A quartering shot just below the apex of the near shoulder is the ideal shot placement for hunting hogs. you don’t hunt hogs to get rid of them, you trap them. Unique ARs had me install my barrel and measure from the receiver to the barrel shoulder. With the top rail installed, the cut is completely hidden. I also really like the chamfer on the handguard logo detail. He’s still the 2A absolutist and shooter, collector, etc as always. Check out their gallery and three full pages of factory design options for some seriously artistic machining and coating work. GI 30s are ‘supposed’ to work with 458 Socom. He just up and left. Up front, Magpul’s new bipod offers tilting and panning functionality along with rapid deployment and light weight. Also the round was inspired by the Barnes .458 x 1.5” which had seen action in Vietnam in a Special Operations role played a part in naming the cartridge. Big ones! They were showing two prototype uppers in a prototype .499 caliber cartridge. Terrill H. State of Residence: NC The .458 SOCOM moves out at 2528 fps in the 140 grain bullets, but slows down to 1798-1860 with 300 grain bullets. You should try one out for yourself. I personally do not like the plastic magazines though. For most users that’ll mean a suppressor can be run inside the handguard. No shortage of projectile options in .458 SOCOM! Rent or borrow one if you can, or order one from Wilson Combat. I have to say we have now gotten them pretty much perfected. Finally, stay tuned for hunting stories as The Pig Truth gets fielded over the next six months. HP and Spitzers, 405 gr. The 500 Beowulf and the 450 Bush Master are also suitable for Boar Hunting. Not bad. This dedicated suppressed, 12-inch-barreled, thermal optic-equipped.458 SOCOM was built for hammering wild hogs here in Texas. This is fine considering that, at least with regards to the SOCOM and Beowulf, we are dealing with what amounts to large pistol brass, which is inherently weaker than rifle brass. Just discovered this forum in the last few days, loving it so far! An enlarged ejection port provides clearance for exfil of those fat, .458 SOCOM cases. Honey Badger, XM2010, C22, R4, MSR, CSR, AAC, BARNES BULLETS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykTfyrMiXps). I recently had the opportunity to purchase a 700 Remington in the 375 hh mag cal. $4k and still needs to be attached to an existing scope. After shooting a couple of custom-built bolt action rifles that were good for quarter-minute groups and finding out that the companies started with blanks or chambered blanks from X-Caliber, I knew what they were capable of. Mix beer, steak and analysis of Operation Gothic Serpent and you get the .458 SOCOM round! Lone boar killed out in a farmers corn field with the 458 Socom. The 458 SOCOM, an abbreviation that stands for Special Operations Command, was developed for the military right after the fight in Somalia in 1993. And through some piggies. They agreed to make the SOCOM prototype cases, and soon shipped the initial 2000 cases. He didn’t pass away or anything , Well, in his “So long, and thanks for all the fish” post, he said he was leaving firearms. It is making my AR builds have penis envy thanks for sharing your build. We happened upon the Tromix Sledgehammers in .50 AE and .440 Corbon. This discussion (which took place over beer and grilled top sirloin) focused on the possibility of developing a new cartridge capable of providing superior stopping power for AR-15/M-16 based weapon systems. I chose the Leupold aluminum rings for their light weight and the fact they mount to the scope at the optimum height to line up perfectly with the PVS-22. So far my .458 SOCOM’s have accounted for over 100 hogs. What do you do for a living? Here’s the story of how the .458 SOCOM came to be, straight from Marty ter Weeme himself: The .458 SOCOM cartridge was developed around 2000 as a result of an informal discussion with a senior member of the US Special Operations community following the Operation “Gothic Serpent” debacle in Mogadishu, Somalia, described in the book “Blackhawk Down”. In the custom AR handguard game there’s one name to know: Unique ARs. I’ve not had the opportunity to pound pigs with that, but I can only imagine it will be fantastic! Take a look at how we approached building the ultimate .458 SOCOM hog hunting rifle to get some ideas. We asked Starline Brass for what was thought to be the impossible: A pre-production run of .50AE brass, but unformed, untrimmed AND with the rim rebated to 0.473”. In fact, as I haven’t yet put the rail to use I haven’t even installed all of the bolts anyway. If not better delete that photo fast, before they find out they’ll need to recall every one made to install a bigger mag follower, like Hexmag faced, oh, what… must be a month or two ago? He, to my knowledge, never even post an occasional review or made an appearance in the comments section. Counting from the muzzle end, this means I can’t use the third and fourth bolts that affix the rail to the tube. The 458 SOCOM is just getting started with 300-gr. Discussions with Tony Rumore revealed that the .50AE and its wide rim posed an issue in that quite a bit of material had to be removed from the bolt lugs to make it work. Not until AFTER those cases were received did L-W actually send an Email with the “final” dimensions for the .499 L-W. That’s a pretty cool looking rifle, yup yup. However, the magazines had to be altered to accept the “short” pistol cartridge. I added a smidge to account for the Goliath’s thread insert. Had I realized this ahead of time, of course, Unique ARs could have done this cut in-house. No way was I purchasing a standard upper and hogging the port out with a Dremel. On a side note, the also made a .50 375 grain xpb spire point but the recoil difference was just too much. I’ve been hunting hogs since the early 1980s and it has become a passion. The only downside I’ve encountered with this handguard setup is that, thanks mostly to the large diameter of my barrel and the slightly-taller-than-extra-low-profile gas block height, there wasn’t quite enough room inside to properly clear the gas block. Ouch. As The Pig Truth is currently tuned, it will just cycle enough to run 350 grain subsonic ammo with the carrier in the “unsuppressed” setting. This rotates and sucks the rifle into my body without stabbing me with the sling hardware. Both are VERY accurate. Nope. I have constantly tried to gain knowledge and improve my hunting skills. I have found the 5.56/.223 and 300 BLK to be lacking in killing power unless you achieve perfect shot placement every time. Only about two-thirds of the thickness of the tube was actually needed for clearance anyway. For hunting medium to large game, bullets in the 250 grain– … Initial loads and the overall case were designed around the Barnes 300 gr. 325 gn is a good weight. The 300gr. You start whacking them and they leave. thermal hog hunt .458 socom suppressed with bowers vers 458. testing supersonic and subsonic ammo on clearballistics gel and hogs. However, it didn’t gain broad acceptance as a military round. Some tactics never die, they just get regenerated, Bill Wilson - Practical Tactical Hog Hunting, Five Seconds, Two Doe Down. A Boar Hunt with the AR-15 in the 458 SoCom offers a fast action weapon that is excellent for Bear Mountain Boar. A case of the same diameter as the .50AE that would fill the AR-15 magazine completely seemed the choice. And, of course, I was able to spec the precise length. They simply gave up on the spot. Lots of work with a feed lip bender. Kill as many, as often, as many ways as possible. There’s no dearth of.458 bullets up to 500 grains for reloading thanks to the 458’s faster twist rate but hard-copy data is a bit skimpy. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 458 Socom Loads for deer/hog hunt. The Goliath ships with an Armageddon Gear suppressor cover. This places the heart, great vessels, lung and spine in the bullet’s path. Next, the case had to be designed. Buy some high quality .458 SOCOM hunting ammo here ... For a non handloaded hunting deer, hogs, black bear, the .450 would be a top choice. This prevents the gun from beating itself up from excessive bolt speed, due either to installing a suppressor on a gun tuned to run without one or running powerful ammo in a gun tuned to run weaker ammo. Did RF ever get a chance to see that handguard? No doubt this is a cool looking rifle. A good barrel needs a good bolt. While I intend to use The Pig Truth to test out a handful of different night vision optics, my current plan for personal use is to stick with a permanently-installed daytime optic plus a clip-on thermal. Maybe we can interview you for a future story! One that tames the bark of .458 SOCOM so incredibly well. A couple of years ago he put a prototype Wilson Combat .458 SOCOM AR-15 in my hands and guided me on a hog hunt at his ranch. Not that it’s too incredibly heavy at 11.75 lbs (that’s with everything seen in this photo minus ammo). It initially came out sometime in 2002. From mild to wild, off-the-shelf to custom artwork, they have you covered. The bullet hit the hog about four inches below the spine, but the force unleashed by the .458 SOCOM was enough to sever that spine. So far my .458 SOCOM’s have accounted for over 100 hogs. Solids and Tungsten Core RN. This gave the user a vast choice of commercially available bullets, ranging from 300 gr. The only manual I’m aware of with SOCOM information is the Lyman 50th Edition. One downside: venting more gas through the carrier ups the noise. My family’s company, Wilson Combat, has been building .458s for about a year now, gradually improving and tweaking. bullets at subsonic velocities, and the Barnes .458 x 1.5” briefly saw service in Vietnam in the Special Operations community. For those who want to hunt big game, destroy cars or houses, or do close range sniping with an AR platform firearm, the 458 SOCOM has no equal. Achievement unlocked! The .499 L-W project was mentioned to see if it would be possible to “tack on” to their order, but Starline replied that the L-W team had yet to decide on case dimensions and that no order had been put into the system. This is the shorter CQB length; they also do a longer one. I normally hog hunt approximately 250 evenings a year. To increase the flexibility of the new cartridge, however, the decision was made to increase the bullet diameter to be able to employ heavier projectiles. That’s right, the Mogadishu we know from news reports and the movie “Blackhawk Down”. X Spitzer, apparently the lightest spitzer bullet available which was thought to offer the best ballistic coefficient. That said, full elimination tends to still require hunting the savvier members of the sounder with night vision after you’ve popped the trap. I ended up cutting a relief notch in the top of the handguard with the aforementioned Dremel. Ballistics are very similar to .45/70 as are recoil considerations, impacts on optics, and how quickly you can get back on target. About AR15.COM. Didn’t clarify if it meant totally or not. Pigs are fairly intelligent and highly mobile. J36 offered a better BC, but was far too long to leave enough powder capacity and still function through the AR magazine. Shot was quartering away at 125yds while moving, hit the sow in the hip and the bullet proceeded to turn and run through what seemed like all the digestive track and vitals bullet was found in the sternum. This is long enough to wring out nearly all of the oomph from a typical, supersonic .458 S load without being too excessive for full burn from a typical, subsonic load. These were sent to Tony at Tromix, along with some initial loads developed on QuickLoad. This would allow easy retrofit of bolt-action rifles in this caliber. good price, great optics, plenty of eye relief. Not only does the GIBBZ G4 upper provide an easier and more ergonomic location for the charging handle compared to the typical AR platform location, there’s also less gas blowback. The two main proprietors of L-W soon had a “falling out” and purportedly went their separate ways. On the smaller end, both the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel both dramatically increase the power available to the AR platform while satisfying the minimum game-hunting caliber in most counties of .243” (these are both .277”). He recommended against this design, and we went back to the drawing board. You have a rifle setup there that cost more than my car. Did you inform Lancer that their ten round mags actually hold eleven rounds as shown in the photo? It’s critical that bolts are made of high-grade steel, properly heat treated, stress relieved, and fully inspected. The cartridge name, .458 SOCOM, is based on the caliber (obviously) and on the fact that the initial impetus came from those “Beer and BBQ” discussions with our friends in special operations. by Bill Wilson | Bill Wilson - Practical Tactical Hog Hunting | 4 comments. Animal Harvested: Boar Hog State the Harvest was Made: TX WC Firearm: Recon SR Caliber of Firearm: .458 SOCOM. Additionally, being in the gun industry since 1974 has allowed me to use just about every hog weapon available. Running a 16-inch or longer barrel was never considered. As .458 SOCOM was designed for a complete burn in short barrels and shorter is handier — not to mention I knew there would be 10 inches of suppressor attached on this AR platform rifle — this upper was always destined for an SBR or pistol lower. Dedicated suppressed though it is, I must admit that The Pig Truth looks pretty cool sans can, too. Use the TTAG logos to good effect installed your gas block Genie and decided to use it for suppressor. 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